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    GENTALA v CITY OF TUCSON, 9717062

    U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals

    GENTALA v CITY OF TUCSON
    9717062

    FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
    
    PATRICIA E. GENTALA; ROBERT A.
    GENTALA,
    Nos. 97-17062
    Plaintiffs-Appellants-
    97-17069
    Cross-Appellees,
    D.C. No.
    v.
    CV-97-00327-FRZ
    CITY OF TUCSON,
    OPINION
    Defendant-Appellee-
    Cross-Appellant.
    
    
    Appeals from the United States District Court
    for the District of Arizona
    Frank R. Zapata, District Judge, Presiding
    
    Argued and Submitted
    October 7, 1999--San Francisco, California
    
    Filed April 20, 2000
    
    Before: Joseph T. Sneed and Harry Pregerson,
    Circuit Judges; David O. Carter,1 District Judge.
    
    Opinion by Judge Carter;
    Dissent by Judge Pregerson
    
    SUMMARY 
     
    The summary, which does not constitute a part of the opinion of the court, 
    is copyrighted C 2000 by West Group. 
    _________________________________________________________________
    
    Individual Rights/Constitutional Rights
    
    The court of appeals affirmed orders of the district court in
    part and reversed in part. The court held that a municipality
    violates a religious group's right to free-speech and free-
    exercise of religion by denying it taxpayer funds to subsidize
    an event expressly intended to benefit local Christians.
    
    To encourage civic events and provide a budgetary mecha-
    nism for accounting for the costs of in-kind services provided
    for public activities, appellee City of Tucson established the
    "Civic Events Fund." The Fund provides support for events
    relating to the historical, cultural, and ethnic heritage of the
    City and the nation, or that educate the public regarding
    important issues. The services provided by the City included
    use of parks, equipment, refuse containers, and street sweep-
    ing. Operation of the Fund did not involve direct money pay-
    ments to event sponsors: the City billed the Fund for the cost
    of services provided, and the Fund would pay the City for
    them.
    
    As sponsors of the local observance of the National Day of
    Prayer, appellants Patricia and Robert Gentala applied to the
    Fund for reimbursement for the costs of city services. Their
    application stated that the purpose of the event was to orga-
    nize a gathering of Tucson Christians; that participants would
    be led in prayer for a variety of non-sectarian concerns; and
    that patriotic decorations and music would be included.
    
    The Fund's policy statement precluded reimbursement for
    events held in direct support of religious organizations. On
    that basis, the Fund denied the Gentalas' reimbursement
    request. The City Council upheld the Fund's decision.
    
    The Gentalas sued the City, alleging that on its face and as
    applied to their application, the Fund's exception violated the
    Free Speech, Free Exercise, and Establishment Clauses of the
    First Amendment. The Gentalas sought an injunction prohibit-
    ing the City from excluding them and other religious groups
    from eligibility for coverage of costs under the Fund.
    
    The district court denied the Gentalas' motions for prelimi-
    nary and permanent injunctive relief, concluding that the
    City's actions did not violate the plaintiffs' free-speech rights,
    and that funding of the National Day of Prayer activities
    would have violated the Establishment Clause.
    
    The Gentalas appealed. They contended that although their
    event was presented from a Christian perspective, the Fund's
    coverage of the costs of municipal services provided for the
    event was not "direct support" of any religious organization.
    
    [1] The principal evil from the government against which
    the Free Speech Clause protects the citizenry is discrimination
    on the basis of viewpoint when regulating expressive activi-
    ties. This prohibition retains its vitality even when the govern-
    ment has created the forum in which expressive activities
    occur.
    
    [2] The relevant forum is defined by the access sought by
    the speaker. The Gentalas sought access to the Fund, not
    merely to the City's park. Although the Fund was not a forum
    in the physical sense, as a government-created source of fund-
    ing to cover costs associated with engaging in behavior
    deserving First Amendment protection, the Fund was a forum
    within the meaning of the First Amendment.
    
    [3] Forum analysis divides government property into public
    fora, designated public fora, and nonpublic fora. Because the
    Fund was not a source of funding for expressive activities
    held in trust since time immemorial, it was not a traditional
    public forum. Because the Fund was limited to certain topics
    and certain speakers, and because it had been managed in a
    selective manner, it could not be concluded that the City des-
    ignated the Fund as a forum open to general expressive activ-
    ity. The Fund was a limited public forum.
    
    [4] In maintaining the boundaries and integrity of the Fund,
    the City would of necessity engage in discrimination on the
    basis of applicants' speech. However, in managing this forum,
    the City's decisions to exclude speakers had to be reasonable
    in light of the Fund's purposes. Any discrimination between
    applicants on the basis of viewpoint was forbidden.
    
    [5] While the Gentalas' event had sectarian elements, it
    also had a civic character, and fit within the general subject
    matter of events for which the Fund was created. The event
    was publicized and organized in a manner consistent with the
    Judeo-Christian tradition, and presented from a Christian per-
    spective. A public prayer service conducted from such a per-
    spective would support members of Jewish and Christian
    religious organizations more than members of other faith tra-
    ditions, or members of the public who belong to a non-
    religious tradition. However, the minimal and diffuse benefits
    from the event did not amount to a constitutionally impermis-
    sible support of religion.
    
    [6] Although reimbursement of costs was not direct support
    of religion in a constitutional sense, it could not be concluded
    that the City acted in bad faith when deciding that the event
    fell within the Fund's exception. However, even if the exclu-
    sion was reasonable, the Gentalas' application could not be
    denied merely because it would have brought a religious per-
    spective to an otherwise permissible conversation.
    
    [7] Rejection of the application was impermissible view-
    point discrimination in violation of the Free Speech Clause.
    [8] Distinguishing between those who speak about religion
    who are directly supporting a religious organization, and
    those who speak about religion who are not, would always
    require the City to discriminate on the basis of the speakers'
    viewpoint.
    
    [9] Insofar as the City sought to avoid entanglement with
    religion when administering the Fund, its best opportunity for
    doing so was to abandon attempts to distinguish between reli-
    gious expression that directly supports a religious organiza-
    tion, and religious expression that indirectly supports religion.
    
    [10] The Fund did not have the primary effect of advancing
    religion. Even if reimbursement of costs provided some sup-
    port for theism over its opposite, or for Christianity over com-
    peting world views, the support was neither substantial nor
    direct enough to amount to advancement of religion. [11] The
    mere conferral of benefits to a religious organization under an
    otherwise neutral policy does not violate the Establishment
    Clause. Even if the organization seeking coverage of costs
    was a church, there would be no violation because there was
    no direct money payment to a group engaged in religious
    activity.
    
    [12] That a government-subsidized event that remains open
    to the public is organized for and by a particular religious
    group is insufficient to create an Establishment Clause viola-
    tion. [13] Only when state programs would provide benefits
    that would allow the organization to pursue its sectarian goals
    in an unfettered way on the government's dole or in the gov-
    ernment's forum is the Establishment Clause possibly vio-
    lated. Where the government does not make direct payments
    to the organization, and maintains control over which activi-
    ties will be subsidized, the government can ensure that only
    activities that have a clear secular import will receive govern-
    ment assistance.
    
    [14] Whether private religious speech would be mistaken
    for the speech of the government is a central inquiry under the
    Establishment Clause. Without more, the presence of City
    employees operating City equipment would not confer any
    imprimatur of state approval.
    
    [15] The district court based its determination that the Gen-
    talas were unlikely to succeed on the merits on an erroneous
    legal conclusion. Moreover, because the Gentalas' expressive
    freedoms were violated as a result of the City's unconstitu-
    tional activities, the Gentalas suffered an irreparable injury.
    
    Judge's Pregerson dissented, concluding that the district
    court got it right.
    
    _________________________________________________________________
    
    COUNSEL
    
    Kevin H. Theriot, American Center for Law and Justice,
    Lawrenceville, Georgia, for the plaintiffs-appellants-cross-
    appellees.
    
    Thomas J. Berning, City Attorney, Tucson, Arizona, for the
    defendant-appellee-cross-appellant.
    
    _________________________________________________________________
    
    OPINION
    
    CARTER, District Judge:
    
    These appeals require us to navigate carefully the shoal-
    infested channel between the Scylla of the First Amendment's
    Free Speech Clause and the Charybdis of the First Amend-
    ment's Establishment Clause. In attempting this task, we are
    fully cognizant of Justice O'Connor's observation when
    engaged in a similar judicial endeavor: "Reliance on categori-
    cal platitudes is unavailing. Resolution instead depends on the
    hard task of judging . . . . Such judgment requires courts to
    draw lines, sometimes quite fine, based on the particular facts
    of each case." Rosenberger v. Rector & Visitors of the Univ.
    of Va., 515 U.S. 819, 847  (1995) (O'Connor, J., concurring).
    
    FACTUAL BACKGROUND
    
    This case arises from the City of Tucson's rejection of
    Patricia and Robert Gentalas' application to the City's Civic
    Events Fund for the coverage of costs for city services for
    local observances of the National Day of Prayer held in one
    of the City's public parks.2
    
    The City established the Fund to encourage civic events
    and provide a budgetary mechanism for accounting for the
    costs of in-kind services provided by the City for certain civic
    events. The Fund provides support for events "that celebrate
    and commemorate the historical, cultural and ethnic heritage
    of the City and the nation, or increase the community's
    knowledge and understanding of critical issues, with the pur-
    pose of improving citizens' quality of life; generate broad
    community appeal and participation . . .; [or ] instill civic pride
    in the City, state or nation." In-kind services provided by the
    City include use of the parks' event equipment, refuse con-
    tainers and street sweeping.
    
    As the organizers of the local observance of the National
    Day of Prayer, the Gentalas applied to the Fund for coverage
    of the costs of city services. The event organized by the Gen-
    talas was part of the annual observance of the National Day
    of Prayer. See Lynch v. Donnelly, 465 U.S. 668, 677  (1984).
    This event was established by a joint resolution of Congress
    in 1952. Since 1952, each President has marked the Day with
    a presidential proclamation. For the year in question, Presi-
    dent Clinton and the City's mayor issued a proclamation con-
    cerning the event. The Mayor's proclamation "clearly state[d]
    how prayer and especially the observance of a national day of
    prayer is part of the historical and cultural heritage of" the
    City and the nation. United States Air Force personnel, pas-
    tors from nine of the City's congregations, and almost one
    hundred people attended the event. The Gentalas' application
    stated that the participants would be led in prayer for various
    concerns: improved relationships between different segments
    of society; political leaders; law enforcement and emergency
    services personnel; youth, families, neighborhoods and the
    homeless; educators and schools. The application also stated
    that the event would include patriotic decorations and music.
    Thus, while the event had a strong sectarian character, as a
    civic event capable of increasing the community's knowledge
    and understanding of critical issues as well as generating
    broad community interest, support and civic pride, the event
    fell within the scope of events for which the Fund had been
    created.
    
    Prior to holding their event, the Gentalas submitted an
    application for reimbursement of costs from the Fund to the
    subcommittee which administers the Fund. After the event
    had been mounted, the City Council reviewed the subcommit-
    tee's rejection and upheld it. Both groups cited only the
    Fund's explicit policy statement that "events held in direct
    support of religious organizations" are not eligible for the pro-
    vision of services and concerns about how the Constitution
    regulates church-state relations in support of the rejection of
    the Gentalas' application.
    
    The Gentalas subsequently filed this action alleging that on
    its face and as applied to their application the Fund's excep-
    tion for "events held in direct support of religious organiza-
    tions" violated the Free Speech, Free Exercise and
    Establishment Clauses of the First Amendment.3 The Gentalas
    sought to enjoin the City from excluding plaintiffs and other
    religious groups from eligibility for coverage of costs under
    the Fund. The district court denied the Gentalas' motions for
    preliminary and permanent injunctive relief, concluding that
    the City's actions did not violate the Gentalas' free speech
    rights and that funding the National Day of Prayer activities
    would have violated the Establishment Clause.
    During the proceedings, the City moved to amend their
    answer to add state-law defenses. The district court denied the
    City's motion to amend their answer.
    
    Both the Gentalas and the City have filed appeals challeng-
    ing the district court's respective adverse rulings.
    
    STANDARDS OF REVIEW
    
    We review for abuse of discretion the district court's denial
    of preliminary and permanent injunctive relief. See Roe v.
    Anderson, 134 F.3d 1400, 1402 & n. 1 (9th Cir. 1998), aff'd,
    Saenz v. Roe, 526 U.S. 489 (1999); Easyriders Freedom
    F.I.G.H.T. v. Hannigan, 92 F.3d 1486, 1493 (9th Cir. 1996).
    The district court abuses its discretion when it bases its deci-
    sion on erroneous legal or factual conclusions. See Roe, 134
    F.3d at 1402 n.1; Easyriders, 92 F.3d at 1493.
    
           [T]o obtain a preliminary injunction, the moving
           party must show either (1) a combination of probable
           success on the merits and the possibility of irrepara-
           ble injury or (2) that serious questions are raised and
           the balance of hardships tips in its favor. These two
           formulations represent two points on a sliding scale
           in which the required degree of irreparable harm
           increases as the possibility of success decreases.
    
    Roe, 134 F.3d at 1402. To obtain a permanent injunction, the
    moving party must demonstrate "the likelihood of substantial
    and immediate irreparable injury and the inadequacy of reme-
    dies at law." Easyriders, 92 F.3d at 1495 (internal quotation
    and citation omitted). " `The loss of First Amendment free-
    doms, for even minimal periods of time, unquestionably con-
    stitutes irreparable injury.' " S.O.C., Inc. v. County of Clark,
    152 F.3d 1136, 1148 (9th Cir.) (quoting Elrod v. Burns, 427
    U.S. 347, 373 (1976)), amended by 160 F.3d 541 (9th Cir.
    1998).
    
    We also review for abuse of discretion the district court's
    denial of leave to amend. See Bonin v. Calderon, 59 F.3d 815,
    845 (9th Cir. 1995). Although there are strong public policy
    justifications urging liberality in granting leave to amend,
    "[f]utility of amendment can, by itself, justify the denial of a
    motion for leave to amend." Id.
    
    ANALYSIS
    
    The Gentalas' Appeal
    
    The Gentalas contend that the City's rejection of their
    application for coverage of the cost of city services under the
    Civic Events Fund violated their free-speech rights guaran-
    teed by the First Amendment. In response, the City argues
    both that there was not a free-speech violation and that even
    if the Gentalas' free-speech rights were infringed, this was
    justified by the City's compelling interest in avoiding an
    Establishment Clause violation.
    
    Free Speech/Public Forum Issue
    
    [1] The Supreme Court's decision in Rosenberger guides
    our resolution of the free-speech issues in this case. In Rosen-
    berger, the Court reiterated that the principal evil from the
    government against which the Free Speech Clause protects
    the citizenry is discrimination on the basis of viewpoint when
    regulating expressive activities. See Rosenberger, 515 U.S. at
    829 (citing R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul, 505 U.S. 377, 391
    (1992)); Perry Educ. Ass'n v. Perry Local Educators' Ass'n,
    460 U.S. 37, 46  (1983)). This prohibition on viewpoint dis-
    crimination retains its vitality even when government has cre-
    ated the forum in which expressive activities occur. See id.;
    see also DiLoreto v. Downey Unified Sch. Dist. Bd. of Educ.,
    196 F.3d 958, 969 (9th Cir. 1999).
    
    As an initial matter, we must determine whether the
    National Day of Prayer event amounted to expressive conduct
    protected by the First Amendment's Free Speech Clause.
    According to the Gentalas' application, they were inviting
    people to gather in the park for a time of praise and worship
    with singing and prayer. Such activity is speech within the
    meaning of the First Amendment. See Capitol Square Review
    & Advisory Bd. v. Pinette, 515 U.S. 753, 760  (1995); Widmar
    v. Vincent, 454 U.S. 263, 265 n.2, 269 (1981).
    
    Having concluded that the Gentalas were engaging in
    speech within the meaning of the First Amendment, we must
    next determine the nature of the forum to which they sought
    access. See Cornelius v. NAACP Legal Defense & Educ.
    Fund, Inc., 473 U.S. 788, 800  (1985); DiLoreto, 196 F.3d at
    964. Before determining the forum's character, however, we
    must clearly define the forum in question.
    
    [2] "The relevant forum is defined by the access sought by
    the speaker." See DiLoreto, 196 F.3d at 965 (citing Cornelius,
    473 U.S. at 801). The parties and the district court have dis-
    cussed the issues raised by this case as if both the City's parks
    and the City's Civic Events Fund were relevant fora. The City
    is correct in its assertion that the Gentalas were never denied
    access to the public park. They were allowed to hold their
    event. After having held their event, however, the Gentalas
    appealed the subcommittee's rejection of their application for
    cost-coverage of city services under the Fund to the full City
    Council. Given this post-event activity, we conclude that the
    Gentalas sought access to the Fund, not merely to the park.
    Although the Fund is not a forum for speech in the physical
    sense, as a government-created source of funding to cover
    costs associated with engaging in behavior deserving First
    Amendment protection, the Fund is a forum within the mean-
    ing of the First Amendment. See Rosenberger, 515 U.S. at
    830 (stating that a fund created by the University of Virginia
    to cover the printing costs of student organizations' publica-
    tions was "a forum more in a metaphysical than in a spatial
    or geographical sense, but the same [First Amendment] prin-
    ciples are applicable").
    
    [3] " `Forum analysis divides government property into
    three categories: public fora, designated public fora, and non-
    public fora.' " DiLoreto, 196 F.3d at 964 (quoting Children of
    the Rosary v. City of Phoenix, 154 F.3d 972, 976 (9th Cir.
    1998), cert. denied, 119 S. Ct. 1804 (1999)); see also Perry
    Educ. Ass'n, 460 U.S. at 45-46. Because the Fund is not a
    source of funding for expressive activities held in trust since
    time immemorial, we conclude that it is not a traditional pub-
    lic forum. See Perry Educ. Ass'n, 460 U.S. at 45. Because the
    Fund's implementing policy states on its face that the Fund is
    limited to certain topics and certain speakers and because the
    record developed by the parties demonstrates that the Fund
    has been managed in a selective manner, we cannot conclude
    that the City has designated the Fund as a forum open to gen-
    eral expressive activity. See Lamb's Chapel v. Center Mori-
    ches Union Free Sch. Dist., 508 U.S. 384, 391 -92 (1993);
    Cornelius, 473 U.S. at 802; DiLoreto, 196 F.3d at 965. Fol-
    lowing the Supreme Court's lead in Rosenberger, we con-
    clude that the Fund is a limited public forum that has been
    opened to support the expressive activities of certain groups
    speaking about certain topics. See Rosenberger, 515 U.S. at
    829; see also DiLoreto, 196 F.3d at 965, 967.4
    The dissent argues, relying on National Endowment for the
    Arts v. Finley, 118 S. Ct. 2168 (1998), that because the City
    makes selective determinations when awarding reimburse-
    ments under the Fund that the Fund is exempt from forum
    analysis. The dissent's reliance on Finley is misplaced. The
    policy being challenged in Finley was of a different character
    than the policy being challenged in this case. As the Supreme
    Court was careful to point out, the "decency" criterion in Fin-
    ley was one of several criteria for the NEA to consider when
    making funding decisions, see id. at 2175-76, whereas the
    City's Fund renders any "event held in direct support of reli-
    gious organizations" absolutely ineligible for reimbursement
    of costs. Moreover, the nature of the challenges to the respec-
    tive policies in Finley and this case are of a notably different
    character. In Finley, the Supreme Court was considering a
    facial challenge to the NEA's "decency" criterion. See id. at
    2175, 2178. This is relevant for at least two reasons. First, the
    burden on litigants pursuing a facial challenge is much heav-
    ier than the burden on litigants pursuing an as-applied chal-
    lenge. See id. at 2175. Second, even a policy which is
    viewpoint-neutral on its face may be applied in a viewpoint-
    discriminatory manner. The Court in Finley explicitly pointed
    out that they were not considering "a situation where the
    denial of a grant may be shown to be the product of invidious
    viewpoint discrimination" because the litigants had brought a
    facial challenge. See id. at 2178. In this case, however, we are
    considering an actual denial by the City and we know the
    motivation behind the City's decision. Even if we agreed with
    the dissent's analysis that the City could have denied the Gen-
    talas' application for a number of reasons under the Fund's
    implementing policy, in actuality, the record shows -- and the
    City has never contested -- that the application was denied
    due to the religious character of the event for which the Gen-
    talas were seeking reimbursement. These factors -- the abso-
    lute bar for reimbursement of certain kinds of events in the
    City's policy, the character of the Gentalas' challenge, and the
    state of the record -- make this appeal more like Rosenberger
    than like Finley.
    
    [4] In maintaining the boundaries and integrity of the Fund,
    the City will, of necessity, engage in discrimination on the
    basis of the content of applicants' speech. In managing this
    forum, however, the City's decisions to exclude speakers
    must be reasonable in light of the Fund's purposes. See
    Rosenberger, 515 U.S. at 829; DiLoreto, 196 F.3d at 965,
    967. Thus, content-based discrimination is legitimate only if
    conducted consistent with the Fund's purposes, whereas any
    discrimination between applicants on the basis of viewpoint
    is forbidden. See Board of Regents of the Univ. of Wis. Sys.
    v. Southworth, No. 98-1189, 2000 WL 293217, at *10 (U.S.
    Mar. 22, 2000); Rosenberger, 515 U.S. at 829-30; DiLoreto,
    196 F.3d at 965, 967.5
    [5] The Fund's implementing policy states that the Fund
    has been created, in part, to "encourage and support [c]ivic
    [e]vents that: celebrate and commemorate historical, cultural
    and ethnic heritage of the City and the nation, or increase the
    community's knowledge and understanding of critical issues,
    with the purpose of improving citizens' quality of life; gener-
    ate broad community appeal and participation; [or ] instill
    civic pride in the City, state, or nation." While the Gentalas'
    event obviously had sectarian elements, as previously
    described, it also had a civic character and fits comfortably
    within the general subject matter of events for which the Fund
    was created.6
    
    [6] The policy explicitly excludes those "events held in
    direct support of religious organizations" and the City relied
    upon this exemption when rejecting the Gentalas' application.
    The Gentalas' application indicates that a free-will offering
    was to be taken at the end of the event. Although such an
    offering would probably be small in relation to the cost of
    mounting the event,7 the offering might provide some degree
    of financial support for the organizers of the event. The
    requested reimbursement from the City's Fund, some $340 in
    costs, is also a meager financial outlay. The record establishes
    that the National Day of Prayer was publicized and organized
    in a manner consistent with the Judeo-Christian tradition and
    counsel for the Gentalas stated at oral argument that the
    National Day of Prayer event was presented from a Christian
    perspective. Thus, the event had a clear religious perspective
    and we must acknowledge that a public prayer service con-
    ducted from such a perspective would support members of
    Jewish and Christian religious organizations more than mem-
    bers of other faith traditions or members of the public-at-large
    who belong to a non-religious tradition. We cannot conclude,
    however, that the minimal and diffuse benefits from this event
    amount to a constitutionally impermissible support of reli-
    gion.
    
    [7] Although we have concluded that reimbursement of the
    event's costs under the Fund was not direct support of religion
    in a constitutional sense, we cannot conclude that the City
    acted in bad faith when deciding that the National Day of
    Prayer event fell within the Fund's exception. See Cornelius,
    473 U.S. at 808 ("The Government's decision to restrict
    access to a nonpublic forum need only be reasonable; it need
    not be the most reasonable or the only reasonable limita-
    tion."). Even if the exclusion was reasonable, however, the
    City could not reject the Gentalas' application based on their
    viewpoint as speakers. See Rosenberger, 515 U.S. at 830;
    DiLoreto, 196 F.3d at 969. In other words, the Gentalas'
    application could not be denied merely because it would bring
    a religious perspective to an otherwise permissible conversa-
    tion. See Rosenberger, 515 U.S. at 831; Lamb's Chapel, 508
    U.S. at 393-94.
    As noted previously, the Supreme Court in Rosenberger
    examined a fund established by the University of Virginia to
    cover the printing costs for publications from approved stu-
    dent groups. See Rosenberger, 515 U.S. at 824. The Univer-
    sity excluded from its scheme those publications written by
    groups engaging in "religious activities." Id. at 825. Wide
    Awake Productions, a student group which published a maga-
    zine "offer[ing] a Christian perspective on both personal and
    community issues," was denied coverage under the policy. Id.
    at 825-27. The Supreme Court concluded that the University's
    denial of coverage was an unconstitutional form of viewpoint
    discrimination. See id. at 831; see also Southworth, 2000 WL
    293217, at *10. In reaching this conclusion, the Supreme
    Court relied heavily on Lamb's Chapel. See Rosenberger, 515
    U.S. at 830-32. In Lamb's Chapel, a local school board per-
    mitted community groups to use its buildings after hours, but
    denied access to a group wanting to show a film series "that
    . . . would discuss . . . the undermining influences of the
    media that could only be counterbalanced by returning to tra-
    ditional, Christian family values." Lamb's Chapel, 508 U.S.
    at 386-88.
    
    The National Day of Prayer event was, in part, a civic gath-
    ering drawing the community together to address issues of
    community-wide concern -- e.g., homelessness, education,
    law enforcement. The nature of the event fits within the gen-
    eral purposes of the forum. Moreover, there is no indication
    from the record that if a local public school wanted to hold a
    fund-raiser or if a group of social service providers wanted to
    hold a rally on behalf of homeless people that the City would
    have denied their applications to the Fund.8 The Gentalas'
    application was rejected because of their view that the most
    relevant manner in which to address these important social
    concerns was through the expressive acts of worship, singing
    and prayer. "Religion may be a vast area of inquiry, but it also
    provides, as it did here, a specific premise, a perspective, a
    standpoint from which a variety of subjects may be discussed
    and considered. The prohibited perspective . . . resulted in the
    refusal" to provide access to the relevant forum. Rosenberger,
    515 U.S. at 831.
    
    The record also indicates that the City had approved an
    application to the Fund by the Tucson Festival Society and
    Carrillo School for a Las Posadas festival. The festival is a re-
    enactment of a story from Christian folklore -- namely,
    Joseph and Mary's search for lodging in Bethlehem prior to
    the birth of Jesus. The City approved funding for this
    "religious-related" event because it was "art" and was "not
    held to directly support a religious organization. " Because the
    Las Posadas festival re-enacts an event connected with the
    Christian tradition, it would provide the same kind of diffuse
    support for Christianity writ large as would the National Day
    of Prayer event. Thus, the City decided that artistic expression
    was a sufficiently indirect way of engaging a religious tradi-
    tion -- and therefore an appropriate activity in the forum, but
    that public prayer was too direct a way of engaging a religious
    tradition -- and therefore an inappropriate activity in the
    forum.
    
    [8] Although we can sympathize with the difficult judg-
    ment calls the City is required to make when reviewing appli-
    cations to the Fund, we conclude that its rejection of the
    Gentalas' application was impermissible viewpoint discrimi-
    nation in violation of the Free Speech Clause of the First
    Amendment. See Rosenberger, 515 U.S. at 829-831; Lamb's
    Chapel, 508 U.S. at 392-94. Moreover, in light of our discus-
    sion of the Las Posadas application, we conclude that distin-
    guishing between those who speak about religion who are
    directly supporting a religious organization and those who
    speak about religion who are not will always require the City
    to discriminate on the basis of the speakers' viewpoint. See
    Board of Educ. of the Westside Community Schs. v. Mergens,
    496 U.S. 226, 248, 253 (1990); Widmar, 454 U.S. at 272 n.11.
    
    Establishment Clause Issue
    
    The City contends that its rejection of the Gentalas' appli-
    cation was justified in light of the City's compelling interest
    in obeying the strictures of the First Amendment's Establish-
    ment Clause.9 Following the Supreme Court's lead in Rosen-
    berger, we reject the City's argument and conclude that
    reimbursing costs for the Gentalas' event under the Fund
    would not have violated the Establishment Clause. See Rosen-
    berger, 515 U.S. at 839.
    
    A majority of the Justices of the Supreme Court have never
    agreed as to the precise meaning and relevance of the history
    of the Establishment Clause. The Court has agreed, however,
    that the Establishment Clause
    
           means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal
           Government can set up a church. Neither can pass
           laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or pre-
           fer one religion over another. Neither can force nor
           influence a person to go to or to remain away from
           church against his will or force him to profess a
           belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be
           punished for entertaining or professing religious
           beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-
           attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can
           be levied to support any religious activities or insti-
           tutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever
           form they may adopt to teach or practice religion.
           Neither a state nor the Federal Government can,
           openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any
           religious organizations or groups and vice versa.
    
    Everson v. Board of Educ. of Ewing TP, 330 U.S. 1, 15-16
    (1947). At the same time, the Supreme Court has repeatedly
    stated that government may acknowledge the role of religion
    in the life of its citizenry and incorporate some religious
    expression into public life. See Lynch, 465 U.S. at 674-78;
    Marsh v. Chambers, 463 U.S. 783, 792  (1983). The "central
    lesson" of the Supreme Court's Establishment Clause juris-
    prudence "is that . . . governmental programs " must maintain
    "neutrality towards religion." Rosenberger, 515 U.S. at 839.
    On a number of occasions, the Court has concluded that gov-
    ernmental programs which distribute benefits on religiously
    neutral grounds do not run afoul of the Establishment Clause
    merely because they provide incidental benefits to organiza-
    tions that seek to engage in religious expression. See id.; Cap-
    itol Square, 515 U.S. at 762-63; Widmar, 454 U.S. at 273-74.
    
    When determining whether the relationship between reli-
    gious expression and the government is permissible under or
    violative of the Establishment Clause, "it [is ] useful to inquire
    whether the challenged law or conduct has a secular purpose,
    whether its principal or primary effect is to advance or inhibit
    religion, and whether it creates an excessive entanglement of
    government with religion." Lynch, 465 U.S. at 679 (citing
    Lemon v. Kurtzman, 403 U.S. 602, 612  (1971)). At the same
    time, we are not bound "to any single test or criterion in this
    sensitive area." Id.
    
    [9] The City's Fund, which exists to support and encourage
    events celebrating the history and culture of the City's resi-
    dents, undeniably serves a secular interest. See Lamb's
    Chapel, 508 U.S. at 395; Widmar, 454 U.S. at 271. Insofar as
    the City seeks to avoid entanglement with religion when
    administering the Fund, its best opportunity for doing so is to
    abandon attempts to distinguish between religious expression
    that directly supports a religious organization and religious
    expression that indirectly supports religion. See Widmar, 454
    U.S. at 272 n.11.
    
    [10] The City's Fund also does not have the primary or
    principal effect of advancing religion. The Supreme Court has
    concluded that a state university's provision of a classroom to
    a student Bible study club for its meetings constituted only
    negligible aid for such devotional exercise and thus was not
    constitutionally impermissible. See Widmar, 403 U.S. at 273.
    In Lynch, Chief Justice Burger, writing for the majority, con-
    cluded that a nativity scene, while religiously significant by
    itself, when placed by the city government among secular
    symbols such as "candy-striped poles . . ., carolers, [and] cut-
    out figures representing such characters as a clown, an ele-
    phant, and a teddy bear" in the business district of the City of
    Pawtucket, Rhode Island, did not substantially support any
    religion in a constitutionally problematic manner. Lynch, 465
    U.S. at 671, 687.
    
           The dissent asserts some observers may perceive that
           the City has aligned itself with the Christian faith by
           including a Christian symbol in its display and that
           this serves to advance religion. We can assume,
           arguendo, that the display advances religion in a
           sense; but our precedents plainly contemplate that on
           occasion some advancement of religion will result
           from governmental action. The Court has made it
           abundantly clear, however, that "not every law that
           confers an `indirect,' `remote,' or `incidental' benefit
           upon [religion] is, for that reason alone, constitution-
           ally invalid." Committee for Public Educ. & Reli-
           gious Liberty v. Nyquist, 413 U.S. 756, 771  (1973).
    
    Id. at 683. Similarly, here, even if the City's reimbursement
    of costs for the National Day of Prayer event provided some
    support for theism over its opposite, or for Christianity over
    competing world views, the support provided by the City was
    neither substantial nor direct enough to amount to advance-
    ment of religion under the Supreme Court's Establishment
    Clause jurisprudence.
    
    In more recent cases involving private religious speech in
    government-created fora, the Supreme Court has focused on
    whether the religious expression occurring in the forum has
    been endorsed or favored by the government when determin-
    ing whether there is an Establishment Clause violation. See
    Capitol Square, 515 U.S. at 762-65; Rosenberger, 515 U.S. at
    839-40; Lamb's Chapel, 508 U.S. at 393. In Rosenberger, the
    most legally and factually analogous case to the one before
    us, the Court reviewed the constitutionality of the University
    of Virginia's refusal to cover the printing costs of a student
    publication, based on the publication's religious perspective,
    due to the University's concern that covering the costs would
    violate the Establishment Clause. See Rosenberger, 515 U.S.
    at 822-23. The Court concluded that the University would not
    violate the Establishment Clause by covering the publica-
    tion's printing costs when using "neutral criteria and even-
    handed policies" to determine which applicants would have
    their costs covered. See id. at 839, 845-46.
    
    [11] The first distinction between Rosenberger and the
    present case urged by the City is that the publication in
    Rosenberger was not produced by a "religious organization,"
    see id. at 826 & 844, and that the event for which the Gentalas
    sought in-kind services was. Assuming that the City is correct
    that the organization responsible for managing the National
    Day of Prayer is a religious organization, we conclude that
    this factual difference is an insufficient basis for distinguish-
    ing Rosenberger. In Widmar, the Supreme Court reviewed the
    University of Missouri at Kansas City's decision to forbid "an
    organization of evangelical Christian students from various
    denominational backgrounds" from meeting in "facilities gen-
    erally available for activities of registered student groups."
    Widmar, 454 U.S. at 264-65 & n.2 (1981). The Supreme
    Court dismissed the University's concerns about an Establish-
    ment Clause violation for its provision of meeting space for
    the student group acknowledging that it was "possible -- per-
    haps even foreseeable -- that religious groups will benefit
    from access to University facilities." Id.  at 273. Widmar dem-
    onstrates that the mere provision of services or conferral of
    benefits to a religious organization under an otherwise neutral
    policy does not, without more, violate the Establishment
    Clause. See Rosenberger, 515 U.S. at 839; Widmar, 454 U.S.
    at 273-74. Moreover, the Rosenberger Court itself stated that
    even if the organization seeking coverage of printing costs
    from the University of Virginia was a "church, " there would
    be no Establishment Clause violation because the scheme at
    issue was not making "direct money payments to an institu-
    tion or group that is engaged in religious activity. " Rosenber-
    ger, 515 U.S. at 842 (emphasis added).
    
    [12] In a similar vein, the dissent relies on the Gentalas'
    original application for reimbursement from the Fund, and
    attachments thereto, which state that the National Day of
    Prayer event was being organized for "Tucson Christians."
    The district court stated that the National Day of Prayer event
    was open to the public and nothing in the record or the com-
    ments by the City Council which reviewed the Gentalas'
    application after the event had been held indicates that the
    event excluded non-Christians from the event. The fact that a
    government-subsidized event which remains open to the pub-
    lic is organized for and by a particular religious group is
    insufficient to create an Establishment Clause violation. See
    Widmar, 454 U.S. at 265 n.2 (noting that a Christian group's
    meetings were "open to the public"). Finally, the dissent notes
    that all the speakers at the event were Christians to support
    the charge of an Establishment Clause violation. In Rosenber-
    ger, however, the publication which the University of Vir-
    ginia refused to subsidize -- a decision the Supreme Court
    rebuked -- was a magazine with an explicit and obvious
    Christian perspective on the issues discussed. See Rosenber-
    ger, 515 U.S. at 825-26.
    
    In Widmar and Rosenberger, the Supreme Court was much
    less concerned about the religious identity or message of the
    speakers being subsidized by the state than it was about the
    nature of subsidy being offered. The Court's concern in these
    cases is whether the support offered by the state is part of a
    neutral program available to a large range of speakers or
    whether it is a program designed and administered to further
    religious interests in some direct way. The City and the dis-
    sent would have us read the Establishment Clause in a way
    that forbids religious groups and religious speakers from par-
    ticipating in and taking advantage of neutral government pro-
    grams available to citizens motivated by non-sectarian
    concerns. Such a theory of the Establishment Clause implic-
    itly denigrates those citizens who seek to operate in the public
    realm and engage the larger culture in light of their religious
    convictions and fails to take seriously the constitutional val-
    ues enshrined in the Free Speech and Free Exercise Clauses.
    
    The Rosenberger Court focused extensively on whether the
    payments from the University of Virginia's fund were being
    made directly to the student organization. See id. at 842-43.
    We agree with the City and the district court that the Rosen-
    berger Court was careful to explain that its conclusion might
    have been different if the scheme under review had involved
    "a tax levied for the direct support of a church, " id. at 840, if
    the money available could be used for "unlimited purposes,"
    id. at 841, or if the program made "direct money payments to
    . . . a group that is engaged in religious activity, " id. at 842.
    The City's own evidence, however, demonstrates that the
    Fund is not the kind of policy about which the Rosenberger
    Court expressed suspicion. According to a management ana-
    lyst from the City's Department of Budget and Research,
    money from the Fund is never paid directly to the event spon-
    sors -- event sponsors request services from the City; the rel-
    evant City departments submit billing statements to the Fund
    instead of the event sponsors; the costs of the services are
    charged against the Fund. As its implementing policy states,
    the Fund is "a budgetary means of detailing the costs City
    departments incur providing in-kind support to Civic Events."
    Moreover, the City maintains control over what services will
    be covered by the Fund and the amount the Fund will be
    charged for these services. Although the City's absorption of
    costs for in-kind services through the Fund clearly provides a
    benefit to the National Day of Prayer event, this is not a case
    where the City "is making direct money payments to an insti-
    tution or group that is engaged in religious activity." Id. at
    842-43. Moreover, insofar as the in-kind services made avail-
    able under the Fund were the provision of physical-plant
    facilities, the Supreme Court has concluded that such services
    are " `incidental' benefits" which can be provided to religious
    groups by the government without violating the Establishment
    Clause. See Widmar, 454 U.S. at 273.
    
    The City also argues that this case is different from Rosen-
    berger because the Fund is created through general revenue
    taxes and the printing-cost fund in Rosenberger  was created
    through the assessment of student fees. The Supreme Court
    did state in Rosenberger that its decision "cannot be read as
    addressing an expenditure from a general tax fund. " Rosen-
    berger, 515 U.S. at 841. While this is a close question, we
    conclude that the City presses this difference as a formal dis-
    tinction whereas the Court used it as a functional one. Both
    student-fee and general-tax assessments are mandatory on the
    relevant population. See id. at 840 (treating the student-fee as
    a mandatory assessment). Thus, it cannot be the mandatory
    character of a general tax that would give rise to different
    considerations under the Establishment Clause. A plurality of
    the Court distinguished between a student fee and a general
    tax based on the limited purposes for which the student fees
    could be used and the neutrality of the program under which
    the student fees were distributed. See id. at 840-41. Given that
    the Fund was used for a limited purpose, that the City main-
    tains a great deal of discretionary control over the Fund, and
    that the Fund is not administered to favor religion, we con-
    clude that the Fund is more like the student-fee generated
    fund in Rosenberger than a general-tax generated fund.10
    
    [13] The Supreme Court's concern about direct payments
    to religious organizations and their treatment of the student-
    fee/general-tax distinction provides a larger perspective on the
    underlying rationale of Rosenberger. The Court has acknowl-
    edged in Widmar, Mergens, and Lamb's Chapel that programs
    of the state which provide benefits to groups on a neutral
    basis may benefit religious groups or religious perspectives
    when the relevant group meets the criteria of the program. In
    Rosenberger, the Court once again articulated its view that the
    Establishment Clause is not violated when religious groups
    happen to benefit from programs which are, by all accounts,
    neutral as to religion. See Rosenberger, 515 U.S. at 839. Only
    where the programs would provide in-kind or financial bene-
    fits which would allow the religious organization to pursue its
    sectarian goals in an unfettered way on the government's dole
    or in the government's forum is the Establishment Clause
    possibly violated. Where, as in Rosenberger and as with the
    Fund, the government does not make direct payments to the
    organization and maintains control over which activities will
    be subsidized, the government can ensure that only those
    activities by sectarian groups which have a sufficient secular
    import will receive government assistance. Allowing religious
    groups to participate as beneficiaries of otherwise neutral pro-
    grams fosters the nation's commitment to freedom of expres-
    sion and to religious liberty without raising the specter of a
    state-sanctioned or state-funded church, which was the histor-
    ical inspiration of the Establishment Clause. See Lynch, 465
    U.S. at 678.
    
    [14] Finally, the Rosenberger Court noted that "[t]he Uni-
    versity has taken pains to disassociate itself from the private
    speech involved in this case." Rosenberger, 515 U.S. at 841.
    Whether private religious speech would be mistaken for the
    speech of the government is a central inquiry under the Estab-
    lishment Clause. See id.; Widmar, 454 U.S. at 274. The City
    and the district court relied on the presence of City employees
    operating lighting and sound equipment to establish that the
    National Day of Prayer event could be mistakenly interpreted
    as the speech of the City. In light of Widmar' s teaching that
    allowing religious groups to meet on campus is insufficient to
    "confer any imprimatur of state approval," we conclude that
    the presence of City employees, without more, does not create
    such an imprimatur. See Widmar, 454 U.S. at 274 & n. 14; see
    also Mergens, 496 U.S. at 249-50, 253.11
    The record also demonstrates, however, that any event hav-
    ing costs covered by the Fund must "acknowledge through
    event advertising and an announcement during [the ] event that
    the City has contributed services to the event." In Capitol
    Square, 515 U.S. at 763, a plurality of the Court rejected the
    government's argument that a cross erected by a private group
    and placed in close "proximity to the seat of government"
    would violate the Establishment Clause because it "may pro-
    duce the perception that the cross bears the [government's]
    approval." The plurality stated that government endorses reli-
    gious expression in violation of the Establishment Clause only
    when the government speaks for itself or manages a forum in
    favor of private religious expression. See id.  at 764. The plu-
    rality observed that "it is no violation [of the Establishment
    Clause] for government to enact neutral policies that happen
    to benefit religion." Id. While the concurring Justices gave a
    greater role to the conclusions of a reasonable observer in
    determining whether the government had endorsed the
    expression of a private speaker than the plurality, see id. at
    777 (O'Connor, J., concurring) and 784-86 (Souter, J., con-
    curring), they also rejected the government's Establishment
    Clause argument observing that the city could require that a
    sign be placed on or near the cross explaining that the city did
    not endorse the expression of the private speaker, id. at 776
    (O'Connor, J., concurring) and 784 (Souter, J., concurring).
    The National Day of Prayer event was not the expression of
    the City itself and there is no allegation that the Fund was
    managed in a way that discriminated in favor of religious
    speech. The City maintained control over the content of the
    statement in the event's advertisement and could have modi-
    fied it to decry any endorsement by the City of the event's
    content. Thus, we agree with the district court that the adver-
    tisement requirement is insufficient to demonstrate that the
    City endorsed the expression of the Gentalas. See id. at 764.
    
    [15] Because we have concluded that the City engaged in
    viewpoint discrimination in violation of the First Amendment
    when rejecting the Gentalas' application to the Fund and that
    the exception for events which directly support religious orga-
    nizations is unconstitutional on its face, and that the Establish-
    ment Clause does not provide a compelling interest justifying
    that discrimination, it is now apparent that the district court
    based its determination that the Gentalas were unlikely to suc-
    ceed on the merits of this case on an erroneous legal conclu-
    sion. See Roe, 134 F.3d at 1402; Easyriders, 92 F.3d at 1493.
    Moreover, because the Gentalas' expressive freedoms were
    violated as a result of the City's unconstitutional activities, the
    Gentalas suffered an irreparable injury. See S.O.C., 152 F.3d
    at 1148.
    
    Accordingly, we reverse the district court's denial of the
    Gentalas' motions for preliminary and permanent injunctions
    and we remand for further proceedings.
    
    The City's Cross-appeal
    
    The City has also filed a cross-appeal contending that the
    district court abused its discretion by denying its motion for
    leave to amend its answer to assert a defense under the Ari-
    zona constitution. In Widmar, the Supreme Court concluded
    that Missouri's state constitutional defenses were insuffi-
    ciently compelling to override free-speech interests protected
    by the Federal Constitution. See Widmar, 454 U.S. at 276.
    Because we have concluded that the City's denial of the Gen-
    talas' application would have violated the Free Speech
    Clause, we conclude that the City's proposed amendment
    would have been futile and that the district court did not abuse
    its discretion by denying it leave to amend its answer. See id.;
    Bonin, 59 F.3d at 845.
    
    Accordingly, we affirm the district court's denial of the
    City's motion for leave to amend its answer.
    
    CONCLUSION
    
    While the idea of the government subsidizing a public
    prayer service raises obvious Establishment Clause concerns,
    the idea of excluding religious speakers from neutral govern-
    ment programs because of their identity and their message
    raises equally compelling Free Speech and Free Exercise
    questions. These principal guarantees of the First Amendment
    require the government to juggle conflicting obligations
    toward its citizens. On the one hand, the Establishment Clause
    obligates government to inspect vigilantly its practices and
    policies to ensure that they do not create the impression that
    government is endorsing or favoring religion or any form of
    religious expression. On the other hand, the Free Speech and
    Free Exercise Clauses require the government to monitor
    carefully its policies and practices to ensure that they do not
    unnecessarily trammel on individuals' opportunities to engage
    in expressive conduct, especially expressive conduct which
    stems from religious faith and belief. As much as we would
    like to provide local, state and national governmental entities
    with bright lines and simple tests to simplify the task of mak-
    ing decisions in this complex and politically charged area,
    drawing exact lines and articulating formulaic tests is belied
    by the purposes of the First Amendment guarantees them-
    selves. See Lynch, 465 U.S. at 678-79.
    
    We do, however, offer some general guidance to the City
    of Tucson and other governmental decision-makers based on
    our examination of this appeal and our investigation of the
    relevant Supreme Court decisions in this area. Where the gov-
    ernment has created a forum for expressive activities, and a
    private speaker meets the criteria for access to the forum, the
    speaker cannot be excluded merely because the speaker's
    expression addresses religion or adopts a religious perspective
    on an otherwise permissible topic. In addition, where the gov-
    ernmental forum includes the provision of financial subsidies
    or in-kind services, as long as those services are provided to
    all speakers in the forum on a religiously neutral basis, provi-
    sion of such subsidies or services to a speaker with a religious
    perspective will not violate the Establishment Clause.
    
    Our resolution of the issues in a manner different from the
    City of Tucson and the district court should not be construed
    as to cast any doubt that the City and the court took their obli-
    gations seriously and carefully considered their conclusions.
    After reviewing the particular facts of this appeal, we have
    merely drawn the lines between the guarantees of the Free
    Speech and Establishment Clauses in a different fashion than
    did the City and the district court.
    
    The City shall bear the costs on appeal.
    
    AFFIRMED in part, REVERSED in part, and
    REMANDED.
    Volume 2 of 2
    
    FOR PUBLICATION
    
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    
    FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
    
    PATRICIA E. GENTALA; ROBERT A.
    GENTALA,
                                                          Nos. 97-17062
    Plaintiffs-Appellants-
                                                               97-17069
    Cross-Appellees,
                                                          D.C. No.
    v.
                                                          CV-97-00327-FRZ
    CITY OF TUCSON,
                                                          OPINION
    Defendant-Appellee-
    Cross-Appellant.
    
    Appeals from the United States District Court
    for the District of Arizona
    Frank R. Zapata, District Judge, Presiding
    
    Argued and Submitted
    October 7, 1999--San Francisco, California
    
    Filed April 20, 2000
    
    Before: Joseph T. Sneed and Harry Pregerson,
    Circuit Judges; David O. Carter,1 District Judge.
    
    Opinion by Judge Carter;
    Dissent by Judge Pregerson
    
    PREGERSON, Circuit Judge, dissenting:
    
    I dissent. The district judge got it right. Taxpayer funds
    may not be used to support a religious organization. And that
    is undisputedly what Appellants' organization is -- a reli-
    gious organization. See Appendix at 3, 5.
    
    As the majority opinion notes, resolution of cases like this
    one "depend[ ] on the hard task of judging." See supra at
    4226 (quoting Rosenberger v. Rector & Visitors of the Univ.
    of Virginia, 515 U.S. 819, 847  (1995) (O'Connor, J., concur-
    ring)). Indeed, "[s]uch judgment requires the court to draw
    lines, sometimes quite fine, based on the particular facts of
    each case." Id. (emphasis added). The facts of this case are
    crucial and should not be diluted.
    
    Appellants' organization, the Tucson National Day of
    Prayer Committee, applied for financial support from a fund
    largely consisting of taxpayer money for an event whose
    stated purpose was to "organize an annual gathering of Tuc-
    son Christians." See Appendix at 3, 5. Appellants did not
    organize a National Day of Prayer for all Tucson residents of
    all faiths; their event was for Tucson Christians only. See  id.
    Moreover, Appellants' application for funding clearly stated
    that an individual's membership in their organization, the
    Tucson National Day of Prayer Committee, would be termi-
    nated if the individual would not "pledge " to the Christian
    belief. Id. In fact, at no time during oral argument or in their
    briefs on appeal have Appellants denied that their organiza-
    tion is a "religious organization."
    
    The constitutionality of the congressionally established
    National Day of Prayer is not at issue here. Appellants' event,
    for "Tucson Christians," should not be confused with the
    national event that was created by congressional resolution in
    1952. The language of the congressional resolution indicates
    that Congress, in declaring a "National Day of Prayer,"
    intended the day to be a day for all Americans, of all faiths.
    
    As one representative noted, "[n]o single religious group can
    claim ownership or control of the National Day of Prayer;
    rather, it truly belongs to all Americans who seek divine guid-
    ance for themselves and for the country." 134 Cong. Rec.
    H2761-02 (May 12, 1988) (statement of Rep. Dymally).
    
    Thus, this case is not about the constitutionality of the
    National Day of Prayer. The only issue presented in this case
    is whether the City of Tucson violated the Constitution by
    denying Appellants taxpayer funds to subsidize the cost of
    their event. Because I believe the City acted clearly within the
    bounds of the Constitution, I would affirm the well-reasoned
    decision of the district court.
    
    I
    
    Appellants are active sponsors and organizers of the Tuc-
    son National Day of Prayer. Appellants requested permits and
    funding from the City of Tucson ("the City") to hold the event
    in the City's Demeester Outdoor Performance Center
    ("Demeester bandshell"). Appellants obtained the necessary
    permits and the event was held as planned, but the City denied
    Appellants' request for funding. As a result, Appellants' orga-
    nization had to pay approximately $340 to rent equipment
    used for production of the event.
    
    The City allows members of the public to use its parks for
    a wide variety of purposes. The Demeester bandshell is
    located in Tucson's Reid Park. Pursuant to Tucson Code sec-
    tions 21-14 and 21-16, specific fees are charged for the use of
    event equipment, park bandshells, and other facilities owned
    by the City. Grants are available from the City's Civic Events
    Fund, on a limited basis, to help subsidize the cost of civic
    events. The Civic Events Fund consists of City money from
    the general fund appropriated by the City's Mayor and Coun-
    cil each year. The source of the funds includes tax revenue,
    user fees, and other sources of recurring and non-recurring
    revenue. Sponsors of events at Reid Park may request a grant
    from the Civic Events Fund through the City's Civic Events
    Subcommittee ("Subcommittee").
    
    For the 1997 Tucson National Day of Prayer, the Appel-
    lants obtained permits to hold the prayer event in the Deme-
    ester bandshell. The event was carried on as planned, and
    Appellants do not allege that the City's actions impeded free
    speech at the event in any way. Rather, Appellants allege that
    the City discriminated against the organization by refusing to
    support the Tucson National Day of Prayer financially with
    funds from the Civic Events Fund. They are mistaken.
    
    The Civic Events Fund exists to encourage and support
    civic events that celebrate the City's heritage, increase knowl-
    edge and understanding of issues that improve citizens' qual-
    ity of life, generate community appeal and participation,
    contribute to tourism, or are otherwise identified as unique
    community events. A number of conditions must be met for
    an event to be eligible for City support. These conditions,
    which are listed in the City's "Civic Event Policy Statement
    and Evaluation Criteria" ("Policy") include: (1) the event
    must be sponsored by a non-profit organization or by individ-
    uals conducting the event on a non-profit basis; (2) the event
    must be open to the public and cannot discriminate against
    persons in any manner; and (3) the event sponsor must main-
    tain liability insurance, maintain a financial accounting of the
    event, and acquire necessary permits from the City. The Pol-
    icy further indicates that "events held in direct support of reli-
    gious organizations" are not eligible for funding from the
    Civic Events Fund.
    
    The City does not automatically award grants to all eligible
    events pursuant to the City's Civic Event Policy. Once the
    Subcommittee determines that an event is "eligible" for fund-
    ing, the Subcommittee, using "Evaluation Criteria," assesses
    the event to determine whether it is one that the City will co-
    sponsor. To determine whether an event should receive fund-
    ing, the City considers a number of factors including: (1) the
    purpose and objectives of the event; (2) the extent to which
    the event generates broad community appeal and participa-
    tion; (3) the event's need for support; and (4) the event's abil-
    ity to obtain financial support from other public and private
    sources. In the past the City has refused to fund a number of
    non-religious events as well as events that the Subcommittee
    determined were "in direct support of religious organiza-
    tions." On the other hand, the City has funded events spon-
    sored by religious organizations that did not directly support
    religious organizations. For example, the City provided fund-
    ing for a fishing clinic for disabled children that was co-
    sponsored by the Aid Association for Lutherans.
    
    In this case, Appellants' event was designed to directly
    benefit their religious organization. Although Appellants
    argued that members of all faiths could have participated in
    the event, according to Appellants' own application,1 only
    those who "pledge" to the Christian belief could participate as
    members of their organization.2 See Appendix at 5. Indeed,
    the Appellants' application for funding declared that the pur-
    pose of the event was to "organize an annual gathering of
    Tucson Christians to observe the National Day of Prayer." Id.
    at 3,5. After reviewing the application, the Subcommittee
    refused to fund the event because it would directly support a
    religious organization.3
    
    The majority finds that the City's refusal to fund the Tuc-
    son National Day of Prayer violated the First Amendment. I
    disagree for several reasons. First, the Civic Events Fund is
    not a limited public forum as the majority asserts. In fact, the
    majority's analysis of this case using "forum doctrine" is not
    appropriate given the nature of the Civic Events Fund. Sec-
    ond, the majority opinion disregards Supreme Court precedent
    which establishes that there is an important distinction
    between a government's refusal to fund protected activity and
    a government's actual denial of a person's constitutional
    rights. See e.g., National Endowment for the Arts v. Finley,
    118 S. Ct. 2168, 2179 (9th Cir. 1998); Rust v. Sullivan, 500
    U.S. 173, 193 (1991). Third, the City has a compelling state
    interest for excluding events that are "in direct support of reli-
    gious organizations" from funding eligibility -- compliance
    with the Establishment Clause. Accordingly, I would con-
    clude that the City did not violate the Constitution when it
    refused to co-sponsor an event, that intended to "organize an
    annual gathering of Tucson Christians," using taxpayer funds.
    II
    
    This is not a case involving the denial of "equal access" to
    City facilities; rather, it simply involves the denial of taxpayer
    funding. If the City had denied Appellants access to the
    Demeester bandshell, which is a traditional public forum, this
    would be a different case. But Appellants were not denied
    access to the bandshell. Thus, their Free Speech claim can
    succeed only if they can demonstrate that the Civic Events
    Fund is a type of forum protected by the First Amendment.
    
    The majority contends that the Fund is a limited public forum4
    and that the City's refusal to fund events that directly support
    religious organizations constitutes viewpoint discrimination. I
    disagree. The majority's analysis of this case using forum
    doctrine is not appropriate because the Civic Events Fund is
    not a forum at all. In addition, the Supreme Court case which
    the majority urges is controlling, Rosenberger v. Rector &
    Visitors of the Univ. of Virginia, is distinguishable.
    
    A. The Civic Events Fund is Not a Forum.
    
    The Supreme Court has identified three types of fora: the
    traditional public forum, the designated public forum, and the
    nonpublic forum. See Arkansas Educ. Television Comm'n v.
    Forbes, 118 S. Ct. 1633, 1641 (1998). As explained in For-
    bes, if governmental property is not a traditional public forum
    or a designated public forum, it is either a nonpublic forum or
    is not a forum at all. See id. at 1641. I would find that Civic
    Events Fund is not a forum at all: (1) because the City's
    administration of the Civic Events Fund necessarily requires
    "editorial discretion," and (2) when "government appropriates
    public funds to promote a particular policy of its own it is
    entitled to say what it wishes." Rosenberger , 515 U.S. at 833.
    
    The Court has recognized that when a government's admin-
    istration of public property requires "editorial discretion," it
    should not be subject to review to determine if it is engaging
    in viewpoint discrimination. See Forbes, 118 S. Ct. at 1639-
    40; Alan E. Brownstein, Alternative Maps for Navigating the
    First Amendment Maze, 16 Const. Comment. 101, 135
    (1999); see also Finley, 118 S. Ct. at 2184 (Scalia, J., concur-
    ring); Fordham Univ. v. Brown, 856 F. Supp. 684, 701-02
    (D.D.C. 1994). The Supreme Court's examples of such dis-
    cretionary decisions include: a university's selection of a
    commencement speaker, a public institution's selection of
    speakers for a lecture series, or a television broadcaster's pro-
    gramming selections. See Forbes, 118 S. Ct. at 1639. In For-
    bes the Court explained that these actions "by [their] nature
    will facilitate the expression of some viewpoints instead of
    others." Id.; see also Chicago ACORN v. Metropolitan Pier
    and Exposition Auth., 150 F.3d 695, 701 (7th Cir. 1998) (not-
    ing that "[w]henever government is in the business of speech,
    whether it is producing television programs . . . or making
    grants . . . the exercise of editorial discretion is inescapable")
    (emphasis added). Consequently, simply because a govern-
    ment subsidy program serves some expressive purpose, gov-
    ernment selectivity in funding private speech to further that
    purpose does not create a forum for First Amendment pur-
    poses. See Finley, 118 S. Ct. at 2183-85 (Scalia, J., concur-
    ring) (stating that the First Amendment "has no application to
    funding"); Brownstein, 16 Constit. Comment. at 134-35.
    Thus, forum doctrine and its prohibition against viewpoint
    discrimination is not applicable here.5 
    Moreover, the grant program in the present case is analo-
    gous to the grant program in Finley, which the Supreme Court
    concluded was not a limited public forum. See 118 S. Ct. at
    2179. In Finley, the issue was whether the statute, requiring
    the National Endowment for the Arts ("NEA") to consider
    "decency" when awarding grants, violated the First Amend-
    ment. See id. at 2178-79. In analyzing the NEA grant pro-
    gram, the Court did not apply forum doctrine. See id. The
    Court explained that such analysis was not appropriate
    because when the government awards NEA grants, it "does
    not indiscriminately `encourage a diversity of views from pri-
    vate speakers.' " Id. at 2178 (distinguishing Rosenberger).
    Consequently, the Court noted that the subjective and compet-
    itive grant process in Finley was significantly different from
    limited public forum cases because those cases involved
    "comparably objective decisions on allocating public benefits,
    such as access to a school auditorium or a municipal theater."
    Id. (distinguishing Rosenberger and Lamb's Chapel v. Center
    Moriches Union Free School Dist., 508 U.S. 384 (1993)).
    Consequently, the Court concluded that the grant process in
    Finley was not a limited public forum and that the statute did
    not violate the First Amendment.
    
    Like the grant process at issue in Finley, the City of Tucson
    did not create the Civic Events Fund to "indiscriminately
    `encourage a diversity of views from private speakers.' " Fin-
    ley, 118 S. Ct. at 2178 (quoting and distinguishing Rosenber-
    ger, 505 U.S. at 834). And similar to the program in Finley,
    the process of awarding grants in this case is not an "objec-
    tive" process. See Finley, 118 S. Ct. at 2178 (distinguishing
    selective grant process in Finley from Lamb's Chapel and
    other cases that involved "comparably objective decisions on
    allocating public benefits, such as access to a school audito-
    rium or a municipal theater"). The Subcommittee in the pres-
    ent case evaluates organizations' applications for funding and
    chooses which events to fund based on a number of factors.
    As noted above, not all eligible events receive financial sup-
    port from the Civic Events Fund. Accordingly, because the
    City did not create the Civic Events Fund to "indiscriminately
    `encourage a diversity of views from private speakers,' " anal-
    ysis under the forum doctrine is not appropriate. Finley, 118
    S. Ct. at 2178.
    
    Additionally, in concluding that the Civic Events Fund is
    a limited public forum, the majority disregards the critical dis-
    tinction between a government's decision not to fund pro-
    tected activity and the actual denial of constitutional rights.
    See Regan v. Taxation With Representation of Wash. , 461
    U.S. 540, 549 (1983) (the government's "decision not to sub-
    sidize the exercise of a fundamental right does not infringe on
    that right"); Fordham, 856 F. Supp. at 702. Notably, the
    Supreme Court has repeatedly and forcefully emphasized this
    distinction. See e.g., Finley, 118 S. Ct. at 2179 (1998); Rust
    v. Sullivan, 500 U.S. at 193; Regan, 461 U.S. at 549; Maher
    v. Roe, 432 U.S. 464, 475  (1977). As the Court recently
    explained in Finley, "although the First Amendment certainly
    has application in the subsidy context, we note that the Gov-
    ernment may allocate competitive funding according to
    criteria that would be impermissible were direct regulation of
    speech or a criminal penalty at stake." 118 S. Ct. at 2179.
    Simply put, the government has "no obligation to fund the
    exercise of constitutional rights." Tipton v. Univ. of Hawaii,
    15 F.3d 922, 926 (9th Cir. 1994). In fact, the government:
           may "selectively fund a program to encourage cer-
           tain activities it believes to be in the public interest,
           without at the same time funding an alternative pro-
           gram which seeks to deal with the problem in
           another way. In so doing, "the [g]overnment has not
           discriminated on the basis of viewpoint; it has
           merely chosen to fund one activity to the exclusion
           of the other."
    
    Finley, 118 S. Ct. at 2179 (quoting Rust, 500 U.S. at 193)
    (emphasis added).
    
    The majority does not explain why the important and
    " `basic difference between direct state interference with a
    protected activity and state encouragement of an alternative
    activity' " is not relevant in the present case. Rust, 500 U.S.
    at 193 (quoting Maher, 432 U.S. at 475). Nor does the major-
    ity explain how, in light of the Court's instruction that "[a]
    refusal to fund protected activity, without more, cannot be
    equated with a disposition of a `penalty' on that activity," id.,
    the City has burdened Appellants' free speech rights. Conse-
    quently, I cannot conclude that simply because the City of
    Tucson elects to selectively fund civic events, its refusal to
    fund Appellants' event violated the First Amendment.
    
    Furthermore, it is clear that the City was justified in exclud-
    ing events that were in direct support of religious organiza-
    tions because "when the Government appropriates public
    funds to establish a program it is entitled to define the limits
    of that program." Rust, 500 U.S. at 194. Events that obtain
    funding from the City of Tucson are advertised as having
    received City funding, and City employees operate light and
    sound equipment at these events. Additionally, during these
    events an announcement is made acknowledging that the City
    contributed to the services at the event. The majority argues
    that the City could have modified the policy to "decry any
    endorsement by the City" when such events are advertised.
    Supra at 4248. But the City should not have to engage in such
    a practice. The City created the Civic Events Fund and is enti-
    tled to obtain recognition that it participates as a co-sponsor
    of civic events in Tucson. See Rosenberger, 515 U.S. at 833
    ("when the government appropriates public funds to promote
    a particular policy of its own it is entitled to say what it wish-
    es") (citing Rust, 500 U.S. at 194).
    
    As Justice Scalia recently noted, "[i]t is preposterous to
    equate the denial of taxpayer subsidy with measures`aimed
    at the suppression of dangerous ideas.' " Finley, 118 S. Ct. at
    2183 (Scalia, J., concurring) (quoting Regan, 461 U.S. at
    550). Here, there is no evidence that the City enacted the Pol-
    icy to suppress speech or a particular viewpoint. The City
    excluded events that directly support religious organizations
    only to ensure that it complied with the Establishment Clause.
    This exclusion was permissible and did not violate the Free
    Speech Clause of the First Amendment.
    
    B. Rosenberger is Distinguishable.
    
    Contrary to Appellants' argument, the Supreme Court's
    recent decision in Rosenberger does not negate the well-
    established precedent discussed supra. In Rosenberger, the
    Court found that by subsidizing publications of student orga-
    nizations with money from the Student Activity Fund, the
    University of Virginia had intended to "open a forum for
    speech" and "encourage a diversity of views from private
    speakers." See id. at 834, 837. The Court accordingly con-
    cluded that the University had created a limited public forum.
    See id. at 837. Because the University had created a limited
    public forum, the Court held that the University could not
    exclude all publications with religious editorial viewpoints
    from grant eligibility. See id. Rosenberger is distinguishable
    for several reasons.
    
    First, the funding process in the present case is more akin
    to the grant process in Finley than the process used in Rosen-
    berger. In Rosenberger, funding was available for all student
    organizations' publications that met the stated criteria and
    were "related to the educational purposes of the University,"
    except those with religious editorial viewpoints. Id. at 824.
    Here, the City provides financial support only to the events
    that meet the Policy's criteria and that the Subcommittee
    determines are most deserving. Thus, the City's grant pro-
    gram is quite different from the objective grant process at
    issue in Rosenberger.
    
    Second, the Court emphasized in Rosenberger that the case
    did not involve "religious organizations." See id. at 844. The
    Court noted that "if the State pays a church's bills it is subsi-
    dizing it, and we must guard against this abuse. " Id. But the
    Court recognized that subsidizing a religious organization was
    not a "danger" in Rosenberger because "the student publica-
    tion is not a religious institution" and "it is not a religious
    organization as [defined] in the University's own regula-
    tions." Id. In contrast, it is undisputed that Appellants' organi-
    zation is a religious organization. See Appendix at 1, 3, 5.
    
    Third, unlike the City in the present case which co-sponsors
    civic events, the University in Rosenberger was not promot-
    ing its own message.6 See Rosenberger, 515 U.S. at 835. As
    the Court noted in Rosenberger, all publications that received
    funding from the Student Activity Fund printed a disclaimer
    declaring "that the student groups are not the University's
    agents, are not subject to its control, and are not its responsi-
    bility." Id. In contrast, as noted above, events that obtain
    funding from the Civic Events Fund are advertised as being
    co-sponsored by the City of Tucson. Moreover, an announce-
    ment is made at the event declaring that the event is co-
    sponsored by the City.
    
    Fourth and most importantly, taxpayers did not fund the
    Student Activity Fund in Rosenberger.7 See 515 U.S. at 841.
    The Court in Rosenberger stressed this fact noting that:
    
           [T]he $14 paid each semester by the student is not a
           general tax designed to raise revenue for the Univer-
           sity . . . . Our decision then cannot be read as
           addressing an expenditure from a general tax fund. 
           Here, the disbursements from the fund go to private
           contractors for the cost of printing that which is pro-
           tected under the Speech Clause of the First Amend-
           ment. That is a far cry from a general public
           assessment designed and effected to provide finan-
           cial support for a church.
    
    Id. at 841 (emphasis added). Justice O'Connor's concurrence
    in Rosenberger also highlighted this point, stating that
    "[p]ublic funds may not be used to endorse the religious mes-
    sage," and "[t]hese decisions [ ] provide no precedent for the
    use of public funds to finance religious activities ." Id. at 847
    (O'Connor, J., concurring) (emphasis added). Thus, the Court
    sent a very clear message in Rosenberger that taxpayer money
    may not be used to pay a religious organization's bills.
    Indeed, Rosenberger did not change this rule -- it reinforced
    it.
    
    III
    
    Even assuming that the City's Policy violated the Free
    Speech Clause, the Policy is not unconstitutional if it serves
    a compelling state interest and is narrowly drawn to achieve
    that end. See Widmar v. Vincent, 454 U.S. 263, 270  (1981).
    The City of Tucson enacted the Policy that excludes events
    which directly support religious organizations to avoid violat-
    ing the Establishment Clause. As even the majority concedes,
    compliance with the Establishment Clause is a compelling
    state interest. See supra note 9 at 4239 (citing Capitol Square
    Rev. and Advisory Bd. v. Pinette, 515 U.S. 753, 761 -62 (1995)
    and Lamb's Chapel). Because City demonstrated that the Pol-
    icy was necessary to avoid violating the Establishment
    Clause, it is constitutional.8
    The Establishment Clause forbids "sponsorship, financial
    support, and active involvement in religious activity." Com-
    mittee for Public Education & Religious Liberty v. Nyquist,
    413 U.S. 772, 772  (1973) (citations omitted). As a majority of
    the Supreme Court recognized in County of Allegheny v.
    American Civil Liberties Union, 492 U.S. 573 (1989):
    
           this Court has come to understand the Establishment
           Clause to mean that government may not promote or
           affiliate itself with any religious doctrine or organi-
           zation, may not discriminate among persons on the
           basis of their religious beliefs and practices, may not
           delegate a governmental power to a religious institu-
           tion, and may not involve itself too deeply in such an
           institution's affairs.
    
    Id. at 590 (footnotes omitted) (emphasis added). The Court
    further noted that the Establishment Clause "means at least"
    that "[n]o tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to
    support religious activities or institutions, whatever they may
    be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or prac-
    any religious organization and more importantly, the funding of that event
    was never challenged.
    
    The fact that the City funded these events demonstrates that the City's
    Policy is not hostile towards religion. Under the funding criteria, religious
    organizations can receive funding for events so long as the event does not
    directly support the religious organization. The City could have enacted
    more restrictive criteria that excluded from funding all events that had any
    relationship with religion, direct or indirect. Instead, the City chose to
    adopt narrow criteria that would simply ensure that taxpayer money was
    not used to support religious organizations in violation of the Establish-
    ment Clause.
    
    tice religion." Id. at 591 (quoting Everson v. Board of Educ.
    of Ewing, 330 U.S. 1, 15 -16 (1947)). The Court explained
    that, "whether the key word is `endorsement,'`favoritism,' or
    `promotion,' the essential principle remains the same. The
    Establishment Clause, at the very least, prohibits government
    from appearing to take a position on questions of religious
    belief. . . ." Id. at 593-94 (citing Lynch v. Donnelly, 465 U.S.
    668, 687 (1984)).
    
    It is clear that if the City funded events that directly support
    religious organizations, the principles stated above would be
    violated. Appellants' event, a gathering and prayer service for
    "Tucson Christians," is without question, religious activity.
    The City may not sponsor or provide financial support for
    such religious activity. See Nyquist, 413 U.S. at 772. In addi-
    tion, events that receive financial support from the Civic
    Events Fund are advertised as being co-sponsored by the City
    of Tucson. But the City may not promote or affiliate itself
    with any religious doctrine or organization. See County of
    Allegheny, 492 U.S. at 590. Finally, the City may not use tax-
    payer funds, "in any amount, large or small" to support reli-
    gious activities or organizations. Id. at 591; see also
    Rosenberger, 515 U.S. at 840-41; Nyquist, 413 U.S. at 780.
    
    The majority asserts that the City could fund events that
    directly support religious organizations because such confer-
    ral of incidental benefits does not violate the Establishment
    Clause. See supra at 4244-45. I agree that the conferral of
    incidental benefits does not necessarily implicate the Estab-
    lishment Clause. However, I do not agree that the award of
    taxpayer funds to support a religious organization constitutes
    an "incidental benefit." Indeed, all of the cases cited by the
    majority that deal with incidental benefits are distinguishable.
    See discussion infra.
    
    For example, the majority cites Widmar v. Vincent, 454
    U.S. 263 (1981). The issue in Widmar, however, was simply
    whether the University of Missouri's policy, which allowed
    all student groups to use its facilities, except for religious
    groups, was constitutional. See id. at 273. The Court found
    that the "benefits" to religion were incidental because they
    merely involved the use of University facilities. In contrast,
    here, Appellants are seeking more than mere "use " of a
    forum; they are seeking financial support for their event. This
    benefit is direct and is not "incidental" not only because tax-
    payers would be paying the fees owed by Appellants' organi-
    zation, but also because money was collected at the event for
    the organization. Moreover, the Court in Widmar  emphasized
    that "[t]he basis for our decision is narrow " because the Uni-
    versity "created a forum generally open to student groups."
    Id. at 277. But in the present case the City of Tucson did not
    make the Civic Events Fund generally available to all non-
    religious organizations. In addition, the present case is distin-
    guishable from Widmar because in that case the Court pointed
    out that an "open forum in a public university does not confer
    any imprimatur of state approval on religious sects or prac-
    tices." Id. at 276. If the City of Tucson awarded public funds
    to an event designed to "organize a gathering of Tucson
    Christians," it would send a message that the City approved
    of the religious organization. Thus, it cannot be said that the
    "incidental benefits" involved in Widmar  are analogous to the
    benefits Appellants' organization sought.
    
    The majority also cites Lynch v. Donnelly, 465 U.S. 668
    (1984). The issue in Lynch was whether a city could display
    the creche on city property without violating the Establish-
    ment Clause. See id. at 685-88. The creche had been dis-
    played on the city property for 40 or more years and was only
    a small portion of a larger display. See id. at 671. The
    Supreme Court held that the display of the creche on city
    property did not violate the Establishment Clause because
    "whatever benefit to one faith or religion or to all religions
    [was] indirect, remote, and incidental." Id. at 683. Unlike the
    benefits sought in present case, the Court in Lynch noted that
    "[n]o expenditures for maintenance of the creche have been
    necessary." Id. at 684. In addition, the Court pointed out that
    Lynch "does not involve a direct subsidy to church-sponsored
    schools or colleges, or other religious institutions. . . ." Id. at
    685. In contrast, if the City in the present case were to fund
    Appellants' religious organization, the benefit to that organi-
    zation would be neither indirect, remote, or incidental. Indeed,
    the "benefit" would constitute direct financial support of
    Appellants' organization because the City would be paying
    that organization's bills.9 Thus, the benefit sought by Appel-
    lants in this case is not analogous to the incidental benefits
    involved in either Lynch or Widmar.
    
    It is also clear that the City of Tucson may not fund events
    that directly support religious organizations under Lemon v.
    Kurtzman, 403 U.S. 602 (1975). In Lemon, the Supreme Court
    set forth three "tests" to determine whether a government
    practice violates the Establishment Clause. See id. at 612-13.
    "Under the Lemon analysis, a statute or practice which
    touches upon religion, if it is to be permissible under the
    Establishment Clause, must have a secular purpose; it must
    neither advance not inhibit religion in its principal or primary
    effect; and it must not foster an excessive entanglement with
    religion." County of Allegheny, 492 U.S. at 592 (citing
    Lemon, 403 U.S. at 612-13). It is undisputed that the purpose
    of the City's Civic Events Fund is secular and that it neither
    advances nor inhibits religion in its principle or primary
    effect. However, if the City allowed events that directly sup-
    port religious organizations to apply for funding, it would
    "foster an excessive entanglement with religion. " Id. The
    City's Subcommittee, which evaluates and determines which
    events should receive funding, would have to pick and choose
    between various religious organizations, which is clearly
    impermissible. And the City would be serving as a co-sponsor
    of the religious event, providing staff at the event and finan-
    cial support.
    
    Furthermore, if the City of Tucson had funded Appellants'
    event, the City would have violated the endorsement test.
    Under the "endorsement test" the appearance of government
    endorsement of religious messages is unconstitutional. See
    County of Allegheny, 492 U.S. at 592-601; Tucker v. State of
    California Dept. of Educ., 97 F.3d 1204, 1215 n.7 (9th Cir.
    1996). Although Justice Scalia, writing for the majority,
    rejected the endorsement test in Pinette, five justices sup-
    ported the test in that case. See 515 U.S. at 786, 787-88, 797-
    99, 817-18; see also Tucker, 97 F.3d at 1215 n.7; Kathleen M.
    Sullivan, Parades, Public Squares and Voucher Payments:
    Problems of Government Neutrality, 28 Conn. L. Rev. 243,
    253 (1996). Under the endorsement test, "when the reasonable
    observer would view a government practice as endorsing reli-
    gion . . . it is our duty to hold that practice invalid." Pinette,
    515 U.S. at 777 (O'Connor, J., concurring). Accordingly, the
    Establishment Clause "imposes affirmative obligations that
    may require a State, in some situations, to take steps to avoid
    being perceived as supporting or endorsing a private religious
    message." Id. (O'Connor, J., concurring). Indeed, "at the very
    least, [the Establishment Clause] prohibits government from
    appearing to take a position on questions of religious belief."
    Id. at 799 (Stevens, J., dissenting) (quoting County of Alle-
    gheny, 492 U.S. at 593-94).
    
    In the present case, the Civic Events Fund excludes events
    that directly support religious organizations to avoid the
    appearance of City-endorsed religious speech. Events that
    receive funding are advertised as having received City fund-
    ing. Even if the City were to stop advertising funded events
    and include a disclaimer, the appearance of endorsement
    would still exist.10 Citizens of Tuscon have access to informa-
    tion about how the City spends taxpayer funds. A reasonable
    individual, upon learning that the City allocated public money
    to subsidize an event for "Tucson Christians, " would perceive
    that the City supports the Christian faith or religion in general.
    This is impermissible under the Establishment Clause. See
    Pinette, 515 U.S. at 777, 787-88, 799; Allegheny, 492 U.S. at
    593-94; Tucker, 97 F.3d at 1215. Recognizing this threat, the
    City's funding criteria correctly excludes events that directly
    support religious organizations.
    
    If the City's Policy did not exclude events that directly sup-
    port religious organizations, the City would either have to ter-
    minate the grant program entirely, or fund every religious
    event that requested funding. The Establishment Clause
    clearly prohibits government from preferring one religion
    over another. Thus, the City could not continue to selectively
    award grants to "civic events" because such subjectivity
    would certainly create excessive entanglement with religion
    in violation of the Establishment Clause. See Lemon, 403 U.S.
    at 612-13.
    
    IV
    
    The use of taxpayer money to pay a religious organiza-
    tion's bills is a blatant example of an Establishment Clause
    violation. See Rosenberger, 515 U.S. at 841, 844; Nyquist,
    413 U.S. at 780. Even assuming that the City had adopted a
    totally "neutral" policy, the result would be the same -- tax-
    payer money would still be used to pay the bills of religious
    organizations, which is clearly prohibited by the Establish-
    ment Clause. See Rosenberger, 515 U.S. at 844; Nyquist, 413
    U.S. at 780.
    As Justice O'Connor declared in Rosenberger, there is "no
    precedent for the use of public funds to finance religious
    activities." 515 U.S. at 847 (O'Connor, J., concurring). The
    majority has not pointed to a single case where the Supreme
    Court or this court upheld the use of taxpayer  funds to
    directly support a religious organization.
    
    The majority asserts that the City should award grants to
    "all speakers in the forum on a religiously neutral basis," and
    that such conduct would not violate the Establishment Clause.
    See supra at 4250. Clearly that is not a realistic option here.
    The City does not have unlimited funds to financially support
    civic events. Under the current policy, the City evaluates
    applications and only funds those events that the Subcommit-
    tee determines will best further the City's goals. Moreover,
    "[t]he Establishment Clause forbids a State to hide behind the
    application of formally neutral criteria and remain studiously
    oblivious to the effects of its actions . . . and not all state poli-
    cies are permissible under the Religion Clauses simply
    because they are neutral in form." Pinette , 515 U.S. at 777
    (O'Connor, J., concurring).
    
    The City of Tucson's Civic Event Policy is constitutional.
    Accordingly, I would affirm the decision of the district court.
    
    APPENDIX
    
    To Judge Pregerson's Dissent.
    
     
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    FOOTNOTES
    
    1 The Honorable David O. Carter, District Judge for the Central District
    of California, sitting by designation.
    2 According to the Gentalas' application to the Fund, the services for
    which they sought coverage amounted to less than $500.
    3 Because we conclude that the City violated the Gentalas' free-speech
    rights and that the Establishment Clause does not provide a sufficiently
    compelling reason to justify that violation in the context of this case, we
    do not address the Gentalas' other constitutional claims.
    4 As the dissent correctly notes, the terms "designated public forum,"
    "limited public forum," and "nonpublic forum" have not always been used
    with precision. See DiLoreto, 196 F.3d at 965 & n.4. A "designated public
    forum" is a forum which the government, through its explicit and inten-
    tional conduct, has designated as a forum generally open to the public for
    expressive activity. See Perry Educ. Ass'n, 460 U.S. at 46-47; Widmar,
    454 U.S. at 267-68 & n.5, 270; DiLoreto, 196 F.3d at 965 & n.4. The
    Supreme Court has referred to a forum opened by the government to cer-
    tain speakers or topics as a "limited public forum," see Rosenberger, 515
    U.S. at 829; the Ninth Circuit has referred to such a forum as a "nonpublic
    forum open for a limited purpose," see DiLoreto, 196 F.3d at 965-66.
    Because content-based discrimination is not allowed absent a compelling
    interest in either a traditional or designated public forum, see Perry Educ.
    Ass'n, 460 U.S. at 954-55, and is permissible in fora opened for more lim-
    ited purposes to preserve the nature of the forum, see Rosenberger, 515
    U.S. at 829; Perry Educ. Ass'n, 460 U.S. at 460; DiLoreto, 196 F.3d at
    965-66, the Ninth Circuit's terminology may lead to less conceptual blur-riness. Regardless of the terminology used to describe the forum, however,
    the Supreme Court and the Ninth Circuit agree that governmental discre-
    tion in managing the more selective forum is bounded by the same consid-
    erations -- reasonableness in light of the forum's purpose and viewpoint
    neutrality. See Rosenberger, 515 U.S. at 829-30; Perry Educ. Ass'n, 460
    U.S. at 48-49; DiLoreto, 196 F.3d at 967, 969. Thus, because the distinc-
    tion between a limited public forum and a nonpublic forum is a semantic
    distinction without an analytic difference, and because the Rosenberger
    Court referred to the fund it was analyzing as a limited public forum, a
    fund we conclude is most analogous to the Fund at issue in this case, we
    will continue to use that terminology. See Finley, 118 S. Ct. at 2178 (stat-
    ing the fund at issue in Rosenberger was a "limited public forum"); Rosen-
    berger, 515 U.S. at 829 (stating the fund being analyzed by the Court was
    a "limited public forum"); DiLoreto, 196 F.3d at 965 (noting that the
    Rosenberger Court had used the term "limited public forum").
    5 Although the Supreme Court's decision in Widmar is instructive in our
    analysis of the issues on appeal, the distinction between discrimination
    permissible in traditional and designated public fora on the one hand and
    in limited and nonpublic fora on the other prevents Widmar from control-
    ling the present case. The Supreme Court classified the meeting space in
    Widmar as a designated public forum. See Widmar, 454 U.S. at 267-68 &
    n.5, 270. The Court then concluded that prohibiting groups from using
    classrooms as meeting space "based on the religious content of the group'sintended speech" was content-based discrimination that could only be jus-
    tified by a compelling interest and a narrowly tailored regulation. Id. at
    270. If the Fund were a traditional or designated public forum, the excep-
    tion for religious speech would be an impermissible content-based dis-
    crimination. See id. at 276. Because the Fund is, at most, a limited public
    forum opened for certain speakers and topics, Widmar is inapplicable to
    the free-speech analysis and we must determine whether the exception dis-
    criminates on the basis of viewpoint on its face or as applied to the Gen-
    talas by the City.
    6 For this reason, the dissent's reliance on DiLoreto is misplaced. In
    DiLoreto, this Court upheld the School District's refusal to post the text
    of the Ten Commandments on Downey High School's baseball field
    fence. See DiLoreto, 196 F.3d at 962. The Court concluded that the refusal
    was permissible content-based discrimination, not because of the religious
    character of the posting per se, but because the forum itself had been lim-
    ited to business advertising. See id. at 969. ("Mr. DiLoreto's ad was not
    a statement addressing otherwise-permissible subjects from a religious
    perspective . . . .") Because the Gentalas' event fit the religiously neutral
    criteria for inclusion within the forum created by the City's Fund, this case
    is distinguishable from DiLoreto.
    7 The prior year, the free-will offering raised $393.84 and the expenses
    associated with the event amounted to $404.54.
    8 Although both the Rosenberger and Lamb's Chapel Courts concluded
    that the government had engaged in viewpoint discrimination, in neither
    opinion was there any discussion of other speakers being allowed access
    to the forum to discuss the same issues from a non-religious perspective.
    In Lamb's Chapel, the Court was satisfied that the school board had
    engaged in viewpoint discrimination where the record was silent on the
    question of whether the subject matter seeking to be addressed by the reli-
    gious speaker was forbidden, but the record clearly established that the
    film series was rejected because of its religious perspective. See Lamb's
    Chapel, 508 U.S. at 393-94.
    9 Obeying the mandate of the Establishment Clause is undeniably a com-
    pelling state interest. See Capitol Square, 515 U.S. at 761-62; Lamb's
    Chapel, 508 U.S. at 394.
    10 In her concurrence, Justice O'Connor identifies two other reasons why
    a fund created by student fees should be analyzed differently than a fund
    created by general tax assessments. See id. at 851-52. Justice O'Connor
    observes that the fund in Rosenberger "belongs to the students" because
    it is administered by them and is used to benefit those who paid into the
    fund. See id. Given that the Fund is administered by a City Council com-
    posed of duly-elected representatives of the residents of the City of Tuc-
    son to provide civic events for the benefit of the residents of the City of
    Tucson, we conclude that it belongs to the City in a similar fashion. Jus-
    tice O'Connor also observes that students may have a First Amendment
    right to "opt-out" of student-fee assessments not available to citizens who
    have to pay tax assessments. See id. at 851. This is a distinction between
    the Fund in Rosenberger and the City's Fund, but it is a distinguishing
    characteristic which only garnered one vote from the Court. Moreover, a
    majority of the Court has subsequently rejected such an argument with
    respect to viewpoint-neutral subsidy programs. See Southworth, 2000 WL
    293217, at *2. Accordingly, we cannot find it a persuasive rationale for
    why this case should be resolved differently than the majority resolved
    Rosenberger.
    11 It is important, when considering how the situation of the National
    Day of Prayer event having costs covered by the City's Fund would be
    interpreted by observers, to note that most of the attendees of the event
    were probably adults. See Marsh, 463 U.S. at 792 (stating that an adult is
    "not readily susceptible to `religious indoctrination,' or peer pressure")
    (citations omitted); see also Widmar, 454 U.S. 274 n.14 (stating that
    "[u]niversity students . . . are less impressionable than younger students"
    and should be able to appreciate the government's neutrality toward reli-
    gion even when a religious group is benefitting under a university pro-
    gram); Mergens, 496 U.S. at 250-51 (stating that high school students are
    also able to distinguish between a government endorsement of religion and
    a neutral governmental policy that happens to aid religion).
    1 The Honorable David O. Carter, District Judge for the Central District
    of California, sitting by designation.
    1 The majority claims that "the dissent relies on the Gentalas' original
    application for reimbursement from the Fund, and attachments thereto,
    which state that the National Day of Prayer event was organized for `Tuc-
    son Christians.' " See supra at 4243. Indeed, the application for funding
    clearly indicated that the purpose of the event was "To organize an annual
    gathering of Tucson Christians to observe the National Day of Prayer," see
    Appendix at 5. This is what the Subcommittee had before it when it
    decided to reject the Gentalas' application for funding.
    
    Moreover, question 10 on the application asks, "Does your organization
    require its members to pledge to any specific religious belief?" To which
    the Gentalas marked "Yes" and wrote in "Christian." Appendix at 5. The
    second part of question 10 asks, "If yes, would a person's membership be
    terminated if the person would not make such a pledge?" Again, the Gen-
    talas marked "Yes." Appendix at 5. I am not aware of any case where any
    court found that a similar organization (that required its members to
    pledge to a specific religious faith and would terminate a person's mem-
    bership if they did not) was not a "religious organization."
    2 The majority incorrectly asserts that the Gentalas' event was a "public
    prayer service conducted from such a perspective[that] would supportmembers of Jewish and Christian religious organizations . . . ." The prayer
    service, as Appellants' counsel admitted at oral argument, addressed a
    Christian perspective only. And the only individuals that spoke at the
    prayer service were Christians -- they were not members of the Jewish
    faith as the majority opinion suggests.
    3 Although the Subcommittee did not evaluate whether the event would
    otherwise meet the criteria for funding, it appears that the event would not
    because: (1) the Tucson National Day of Prayer Committee was not a non-
    profit organization; (2) money was collected at the event; and (3) it is
    highly doubtful that the event "did not discriminate against any persons in
    any manner" as required by the Policy.
    4 As noted in DiLoreto v. Downey Unified Sch. Dist. Bd. of Educ., 196
    F.3d 958, 965 n.4 (9th Cir. 1999), "[t]he contours of the terms `designated
    public forum' and `limited public forum' have not always been clear."
    (citations omitted). Here, the majority concludes that the Civic Events
    Fund is a "limited public forum." Supra  at 4232. It is perhaps more precise
    to state that the majority finds that the Civic Events Fund is a "nonpublic
    forum open for a limited purpose." DiLoreto , 196 F.3d at 967. Nonethe-
    less, for purposes of clarity, because the majority uses the term "limited
    public forum," I will use that term in my dissent as well.
    5 Even if I were to analyze this case using forum doctrine, I would still
    conclude that the City's actions were constitutional, especially in light ofthis court's recent decision in DiLoreto. See 196 F.3d 958; see also Good
    News Club v. Milford Central Sch., 202 F.3d 502 (2d Cir. 2000) (ruling
    that school's refusal to allow religious organization to use facilities was
    based on content, not viewpoint). In DiLoreto , we ruled that the school
    district's refusal to permit religious messages on a high school baseball
    field fence was a "permissible, content-based limitation on the forum, and
    not viewpoint discrimination." Id. at 969-70 (emphasis added). In addi-
    tion, in DiLoreto we rejected the argument that excluding religion as a
    subject or category always constitutes viewpoint discrimination. Id. at 969.
    We stated that such an argument "mischaracterizes the holding in Rosen-
    berger" and we noted that in Rosenberger , "[t]he Court merely held that
    refusing to fund only religious viewpoints on otherwise-permissible sub-
    jects (i.e. pregnancy or homosexuality) was viewpoint discrimination." Id.
    at 970.
    6 This fact also distinguishes the present case from Board of Regents of
    the University of Wisconsin System v. Southworth , _______ S. Ct. _______, avail-
    able at 2000 WL 293217 (Mar. 22, 2000). In Southworth, the Court ruled
    that a public university may charge its students an activity fee to fund a
    program to facilitate extracurricular student speech. See id. The Court,
    however, emphasized that:
    
           Our decision ought not be taken to imply that in other instances
           the University, its agents or employees, or -- of particular impor-
           tance -- its faculty are subject to First Amendment analysis
           which controls in this case. Where the University speaks, either
           in its own name or through its regents or officers, or in myriad
           other ways through its diverse faculties, the analysis likely would
           be altogether different. The Court has not held, or suggested, that
           when the government speaks the rules we have discussed come
           into play.
    
    Id. at *10 (emphasis added) (citations omitted).
    7 Perhaps the most troubling aspect of the majority's opinion is the sug-
    gestion that the student fees in Rosenberger  and the general tax assess-
    ments in the present case are not distinguishable, see supra at 4245,
    despite the Court's forceful language in Rosenberger that the case "cannot
    be read as addressing an expenditure from a general tax fund." 515 U.S.
    at 841. The majority argues that this distinction does not apply here
    "[g]iven that the Fund is administered by a City Council composed of
    duly-elected representatives of the residents of the City of Tucson to pro-
    vide civic events for the benefits of the residents of the City of Tucson."
    Supra at 4246, n.10. I strongly disagree. That the taxpayer funds are
    administered by "duly-elected officials" does not insulate this or any other
    case from concerns about violations of the Establishment Clause. The
    Establishment Clause exists, in part, to protect those in the minority, who
    without protection under the First Amendment, could be forced to live
    under a majority-imposed religious regime. See Lee v. Weisman, 505 U.S.
    577, 592 (1992) (stating that the "inspiration for the Establishment
    Clause" was the lesson that "in the hands of the government what might
    begin as a tolerant expression of religious views may end in a policy to
    indoctrinate and coerce.").
    8 In addition to being necessary to avoid violating the Establishment
    Clause, the Policy is sufficiently narrow. The City's Policy did not
    exclude all events with any type of religious theme, it only excluded
    events that directly support religious organizations. For example, the City
    funded the fishing clinic for handicapped children which was sponsored
    by the Lutheran Church, a Mormon Battalion event that celebrated theplacement of a monument in a city park which commemorated a historical
    event in Tucson, and a Las Posadas festival. The majority argues that the
    City's decision to fund the Las Posadas event demonstrates that the City
    is engaging in viewpoint discrimination. See supra at 4238. I disagree. The
    
    9 The majority argues that the benefit is not "direct" because the City of
    Tucson would not be required to make "direct" money payments to Appel-
    lants' organization. See supra at 4245. I disagree. As Judge Sneed stated
    during oral argument, such a distinction "doesn't make any sense -- a
    concession to a particular religious organization in the form of the govern-
    ment spending money on their behalf as opposed to giving them the
    money to spend for the same cause really doesn't make any sense. In any
    event, an economic benefit is being made to a religious organization."10 The majority argues that "[i]t is important, when considering how the
    situation of the National Day of Prayer event having costs covered by theCity's Fund would be interpreted by observers, to note that most of the
    attendees of the event were probably adults." See supra note 11 at 4247.
    There is absolutely no support for this conclusion in the record. There is
    no evidence that the event was geared towards adults or that most of the
    attendees were adults. Thus, this argument is based on pure speculation.
    

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